Unreal Numbers

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31 points | by surprisetalk 5 days ago

3 comments

  • Reubend 39 minutes ago
    > But what would be an example of an uncomputable number? That’s a good question. Most obviously, we could be talking about numbers that encode the solution to the halting problem. It would lead to a paradox to have a computer program that allows us to decide, in the general case, whether a given computer program halts. So, if a procedure to approximate a particular real requires solving the halting problem, we can’t have that.

    This doesn’t make sense to me. Given that there’s no generic way to compute halting, how would we make the leap to saying that there’s a specific number which represents the solution to that problem?

    • yorwba 21 minutes ago
      Any given computation either halts or it doesn't. You can encode that information in a single bit, as a specific number. Since there is a countably infinite number of possible computations, you'd need a countably infinite number of bits.

      So you can never find enough storage to hold the full solution of the halting problem in the real world. But you can find enough storage in a real number. Because real numbers can have a countably infinite number of digits after the decimal point. So you can stuff your countably infinite number of bits representing the solution of the halting problem in there.

      Which specific real number you get depends on the details of the encoding, but it's definitely some real number. And it cannot be computed, because if it could, you could read the solution to the halting problem off its digits, but the halting problem is known to be uncomputable.

    • throwaway27448 23 minutes ago
      I assume this refers to Chaitin's constant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitin%27s_constant
  • emmelaich 54 minutes ago
  • koolala 48 minutes ago
    A number that can predict the future?