8 comments

  • alecco 3 hours ago
    Eventually, yes. But 1) it's not a magic tap on/off, 2) refineries are specialized for specific types of oil, 3) a lot of ships are stuck there, 4) wells and refineries usually take a long time to restart.

    Serious oil traders are saying it will take months or even more than a year to get back to normal.

    The only thing containing prices at the moment is many exporters sold futures to lock-in prices for the rest of the year (it wasn't market manipulation as many suspected). But once they are sold out we'll have some interesting price discovery.

    https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/ICEEUR-BRN1!/forward-cur...

    https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/NYMEX-CL1!/forward-curve...

    • dyauspitr 2 hours ago
      But how? Iran is right next door. They can target any mode of getting oil out of there. Not just the strait of Hormuz but any pipelines that lead away from the region can just as easily be targeted. One Shahed to the pipeline is all it would take.
      • alecco 2 hours ago
        At these higher prices you can safely bet other producers are drilling new wells, adding more infrastructure, and upgrading refineries.
      • Detrytus 2 hours ago
        In theory yes, but in practice those drones would have to take a really long flight over enemy territory giving more opportunities to shoot them down. And it’s not like they are difficult to shoot down, they are cheap crap, their only advantage being that there’s a lot of them
        • gmerc 18 minutes ago
          You really haven’t been paying attention to Ukraine. You can launch them from trucks. from boats. You can make them so cheap defense becomes too costly. What people don’t seem to get is that you that much of modern infrastructure is not scalable to an age of war and chaos the US is unleashing in bid to shift power dynamics from economy (which China is winning) to military.

          Pipelines have endless vulnerability surface as Ukraine showed and just do the math on trucks vs a super tanker.

    • senectus1 2 hours ago
      all of this is assuming the US and israel will LET this new bypass go unhindered.
  • jleyank 1 hour ago
    Don’t forget the world needs LNG and the stuff made from petrochemicals such as fertilizer. They need to make chem plants as well as refineries to go with drilling new wells and run them harder. Get Venezuela up, but that’s probably O(years).

    Is there enough copper and power to get those ev stations up in the us? Cuz now’s their chance.

  • fhub 3 hours ago
    For a less simplistic look at a similar question I'd recommend this article.

    https://hyperfocusinhalifax.substack.com/p/why-arent-oil-pri...

  • wat10000 3 hours ago
    Tautologically yes. Whatever the world gets is its supply. Depending on how much can be done to bypass the Strait, that supply may diminish substantially. Already has, I suppose.

    It would be nice if this was the thing that finally kicked governments into gear to get off our reliance on oil. But I don’t think 20% is quite big enough to make that happen.

  • ZebusJesus 3 hours ago
    Is it possible yes, is it feasible absolutely not
  • atoav 3 hours ago
    *Can the world have an American President that for once doesn't start pointless wars to distract from internal scandals?
    • marssaxman 3 hours ago
      It'd be nice if we could take a few years off from having a president at all - just rest, recover, and start to clean up the mess.
      • jkubicek 1 hour ago
        America needs a Snow Leopard. No new features, just bug fixes.
    • throwaway27448 3 hours ago
      > to distract from internal scandals

      This is ignoring fifty years of trying to start this war. Even blaming Israel doesn't entirely make sense. A large segment of capital in the US truly wants this war to happen (as foolish as that may seem to rational humans). It is not simply a distraction.

      Or to put it another way, the Trump administration is characterized by dozens of scandals of bungled governance, each distracting from the next. Determining which is the "root" thing being distracted from is pointless.

    • the_gastropod 3 hours ago
      For once? Didn’t our previous president just clear this cynically low bar?
      • netsharc 2 hours ago
        Ok, so in your genius reality, did Biden start the Russia-Ukrainian war or the Israeli genocide? Or am I just too dumb and interpreting your oh-so-clever sentence wrong?

        I'm also curious if you could explain the logic more than "Just so your own research man"...

        • jkubicek 1 hour ago
          I think you’re responding to the wrong comment
        • ziml77 56 minutes ago
          You're reading them wrong and I'm not sure what you find clever about the wording.

          The bar was a president that doesn't start pointless wars. That's a low bar. Biden cleared said low bar by not starting pointless wars.

  • aaron695 3 hours ago
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  • verdverm 3 hours ago
    tl;dr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...

    Many other things pass through the straight besides oil