Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

(discuss.grapheneos.org)

71 points | by OsrsNeedsf2P 1 hour ago

14 comments

  • hmry 1 hour ago
    > we are unfortunately not able to guarantee bootloader unlocking, as it is not feasible for us to search through thousands of devices in order to find one that is

    Ohhhh, is that how it works? Maybe I should try that next time. Instead of selling broken hardware as "NOT TESTED, AS IS, PARTS MACHINE" I should sell them as "100% working!" and when someone asks, I'll tell them "sorry, it's not feasible to search through all devices and find the working ones"

    • uyzstvqs 10 minutes ago
      Imagine a supermarket telling you "sorry, it's not feasible to check the expiration dates on all of our products".
      • compass_copium 1 minute ago
        I feel like supermarkets more or less do tell you this--I get expired crap all the time if I don't check myself.
  • laweijfmvo 1 hour ago
    Swappa became a no-go for me when they started making exceptions to their rules for commercial sellers, justifying it by saying they were inherently more reliable. For example, using stock photos for multiple devices instead of the device you actually receive. All of three of these phones, based on the seller names, were those reliable sellers.
  • lnx01 20 minutes ago
    In the context of an online marketplace "Unlocked" means "Not carrier locked". This has _nothing_ to do with the bootloader.
  • ethagnawl 17 minutes ago
    I went through this cycle myself a few months back. It seems like many sellers conflate bootloader unlocking with carrier unlocking.
  • zargon 37 minutes ago
    Swappa is great for sellers and bad for buyers. They use a Paypal marketplace product and have no actual authority in a transaction, they just match buyers and sellers. If the phone is not as described, you'll have to pay return shipping yourself.
  • glhaynes 1 hour ago
    Bummer of an experience. About a month ago I bought an unlocked 8a from a seller on Swappa and had no issue getting GrapheneOS (which works well!) on it.
  • beej71 52 minutes ago
    I was just about to buy something from them, but maybe not now. I want a used pixel--where is the best marketplace for that?
    • troyvit 45 minutes ago
      I've gotten used pixels off of ebay more than once and never had a problem. I feel like if it was that simple swappa.com wouldn't exist though. Maybe I've been lucky?
      • fwipsy 30 minutes ago
        I've also had good experiences on eBay. Buyers can leave bad reviews for anything so good reviews are a strong indicator. (That said, there are plenty of "genuine" laptop batteries for $15 from high-scoring sellers.)

        I feel like eBay put a lot of work into creating a competitive marketplace where honesty was rewarded, and it basically works well but they got an unsavory reputation anyways. Then Amazon tried to hide that complexity from the end user and buyers just get burned. Maybe Swappa is trying to go the Amazon route? I do not think there are real shortcuts here. Either the marketplace needs to vet sellers manually, or offer a competitive, transparent reputation system like eBay.

  • rglover 47 minutes ago
    I've had good experiences with gazelle.com for used devices but never tried to load GrapheneOS on anything from them.
  • erelong 1 hour ago
    Swappa has been "ok" in my experience

    I had issues with receiving incompatible "variants" of compatible devices when shopping for used phone for custom roms

  • convexly 1 hour ago
    Did you try disputing through your payment method or is that not an option with how Swappa processes things?
  • deeplowdock 1 hour ago
    I wonder why almost no one in these GrapheneOS praise topic mentions that you won't be able to pay with your phone, and often even bank apps refuse to install on it - it was a deal breaker for me personally, and now I'm back under Google umbrella :<
    • hnuser435 1 hour ago
      Limitations are on the website - https://grapheneos.org/articles/ I don't care about google pay/wallet or android auto. My credit union's app does work fine, but even if it didn't, I'd still use GOS. It's great.
      • McDev 51 minutes ago
        FWIW I've tested Android Auto before with sandboxed Google Play, works fine.
    • Pacers31Colts18 1 hour ago
      Not every banking app is that way. Mine worked.

      I also dont think everything needs to be an app.

    • ramon156 1 hour ago
      Fair point, but how much extra effort is it to put a credit card between your phone? I'm still under the Google umbrella as well, but this would be my first issue solved.
    • BLKNSLVR 1 hour ago
      I gets mentioned on every GrapheneOS thread I've read.
    • theandrewbailey 32 minutes ago
      I guess I'm so paranoid that not only do I run GrapheneOS, I've never had nor wanted banking nor payment apps on my phone. Having ALL my money be accessible from something so easily lost, stolen, or seized would be a constant source of stress for me. There's (hopefully) a lot of security around accessing it, but sometimes the only winning move is not to play.
    • ethagnawl 32 minutes ago
      For many GrapheneOS users, this class of annoyances is an acceptable concession.
    • edm0nd 41 minutes ago
      Yup, Chase Bank app will not load at all. I think its a "security" feature that it wont load on rooted phones lol
      • chappi42 20 minutes ago
        GrapheneOS phones are not rooted.
    • throawayonthe 56 minutes ago
      this is the main point of discussion under every grapheneos thread though...

      also my bank apps install, but yes, no tap to pay

    • cyanydeez 1 hour ago
      Paying with your phone just seems like one of those separation of concerns problem. I'm sure you have backup forms, and cash, etc, but there's something about not having to worry about the multinefarious capabilities of my phone if it's not in my posession.
      • deeplowdock 1 hour ago
        You could then separate the audio system from your car and drive around with a boombox
        • NewJazz 56 minutes ago
          Difference is a plastic card that is lighter and smaller than the phone is just as effective as the phone is for payments. When it comes to audio, a car stereo is going to be much more convenient and brtter quality than a boombox or bluetooth. That said, i did know someone with an older car who used a bluetooth speaker instead of their stereo, so they could connect their phone audio.
          • 0x3f 41 minutes ago
            I don't know about where you live but here contactless card payments have lower limits than phone-based ones. Also the phone allows me to switch between multiple cards, including transit-specific cards.
        • zephen 55 minutes ago
          I forget. What are the security implications of having your car play your music again?
          • thejazzman 48 minutes ago
            Pretty sure Jeep was hacked via their infotainment system and remotely driven (by researcher Charlie Miller)

            So it’s actually kind of a real thing

    • znsdx 1 hour ago
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  • djhope99 1 hour ago
    Uh oh. I just brought a pixel 6a from Swappa, was hoping to use a different os. Not arrived yet though.
  • sneak 38 minutes ago
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  • yogthos 57 minutes ago
    I just bought an official Pixel 9 to install GrapheneOS, and the process couldn't be simpler. Their webusb installer is extremely polished. You just plug your phone in, click through a few steps, and you're done. There's absolutely no reason to bother looking for a phone with GrapheneOS already preinstalled.

    As a side note, I've been using it for a few months now, and it works great. All the apps I use run on it just fine. Battery life is great, and you don't have a bunch of cruft from Google running on your device. Can highly recommend for anybody looking for a phone you actually own.

    • kay_o 52 minutes ago
      This is not the related of preinstalled. Swappa is selling bootloader permanently locked forever phones as bootloader unlockable
    • OsrsNeedsf2P 52 minutes ago
      I'm trying to go through Swappa to help reduce waste and save a bit of money. Unfortunately, when I decided to go second-hand, I didn't expect issues like this.
    • NewJazz 54 minutes ago
      As a note, swappa isn't selling phones with grapheneos preinstalled. It is selling used phones, you would still have to install gos.