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  • sagarun 1 hour ago
    I still remember they used disinsect the aircraft cabin, before you land in Indian airports with an aerosol spray https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/spray

    https://www.epa.gov/mosquitocontrol/aircraft-disinsection

    • kayo_20211030 30 minutes ago
      It used to happen in NZ too. I don't know if it still does.
    • luciandan 1 hour ago
      They do but chances are it's not 100% effective.
      • zbjornson 50 minutes ago
        Rather, "there is no evidence to show that using insecticide to kill mosquitoes inside aircraft cabins is effective in preventing introduction and spread of mosquito-borne diseases."

        https://www.epa.gov/mosquitocontrol/aircraft-disinsection

        Not sure where the idea came from that spraying the cabin aisle would penetrate the luggage bins, cargo hold, under the seats, or really anywhere.

        • nkmnz 46 minutes ago
          1. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

          2. Risk is convex, so every risk increase by measures not taken is multiplicative, not additive.

          The real question must be: does the disinfection do more harm than it provides reduction of risk.

    • mmsc 1 hour ago
      They still do this when you land in Australia
  • briandw 1 hour ago
    They didn’t mention the strain. My understanding is that there are 5 strains. P. malariae is common and not particularly deadly while. When i visited Africa, all of the locals had had malaria multiple times. P. falciparum is extremely nasty and can kill quickly.
    • mk89 12 minutes ago
      It's the Malaria tropica according to [0]:

      > Im Zusammenhang mit den bereits bekannten sechs Fällen von Malaria tropica bei Personen, die am Flughafen Frankfurt am Main tätig sind, sind zwei Erkrankte verstorben

      And a quick search says that this is the most dangerous one. Of course it had to be...

      [0]:https://frankfurt.de/de-de/aktuelle-meldung/meldungen/gesund...

    • crossroadsguy 40 minutes ago
      I had dengue once. Fever was something else! Since then I've been scared shitless that there are 3 other major variants remaining and if the next time is one of those 3 I am most probably cooked. There are no vaccines here yet either.
      • greenavocado 17 minutes ago
        Is that the one where the degree of immunity is negative post infection
        • wbl 9 minutes ago
          Yup. But OP is now eligible for a vaccine!
  • UJ-FLD-ScrTr 1 hour ago
    Two months passed between the two deaths. This already happened once in Frankfurt in 2023, fortunately without fatalities.

    https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Zwei-Tote-durch-Flughafen-Malar...

  • Havoc 1 hour ago
    Kinda wild. I spent most of my childhood a couple hours drive from a malaria region and never heard of anyone getting sick locally that hadn’t travelled that way. So multiple people in Germany seems surprising.
    • fweimer 8 minutes ago
      Cases are infrequent, but not extremely unlikely. There's even a term for it, airport malaria:

      https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.E...

    • luciandan 1 hour ago
      I guess this can still happen, depends for each person. Some people have higher immunity for certain bugs.
    • catlikesshrimp 1 hour ago
      I live in a mosquito ladden region and some mosquitoe individuals ingest blood until they can no longer fly (they die) Many mosquitoe individuals feed until full, not necessarily from only one human.

      Now, some people are more resistant to some diseases than others. Sickle cell anemia heterozygote humans can live with plasmodium alright.

      What surprises me is that someone around an airport in Germany (urban area) actually died of malaria. Malaria causes intervals of very high fever which lead to hospitalization and treatment.

      • M_bara 45 minutes ago
        Being a tropical disease makes it very unlikely and so a doctor will not even be considering it. By the time they’ve tried different therapies and start considering malaria, it’s too late. I’ve seen this happen to a couple of Africans who travel to Europe while gestation is ongoing and they’re dead 2 weeks later. As another thread said, it’s cheap to carry malaria meds when you travel, do it. If you start feeling offish - joint pain, fever, malaise, get a blood microscopic test for it and start the meds. Malaria is brutal
  • testing22321 1 hour ago
    I got malaria twice in Africa. First time bad, second time REAL bad. I thought about death a little.

    There was a good story of a Dutchman living in Mali who got malaria a few times (everyone does). It’s manageable with the meds.

    Anyway he flies home, then develops symptoms. Goes to hospital and they freak. Full hazmat suits, isolation, doctors visiting from all over because they’d never seen it. Guy ends up dying because they wouldn’t give him the meds, because they didn’t know if it was safe, or what the right thing to do was.

    Moral of the story is that for anyone spending time in malaria zones, take the meds home with you. If you get symptomatic, take the meds and maybe not go to hospital in the developed world. Meds I took was “coartem” and an injectable.

    • roncesvalles 49 minutes ago
      I have a feeling this is exactly what happened in Frankfurt. It very glaringly points to some failure in the healthcare system.

      Healthy working adults with access to healthcare don't just die of malaria. Two deaths means it's not some unique susceptibility in one individual either.

      The more interesting investigation would be how the system let two people die of malaria, not how malaria got there.

    • fma 1 hour ago
      Kind of similar to rabies. If you get bit by a rabid animal in an area with lots of rabies, the doctors know what to do and you get meds immediately for cheap.

      In the US it's a few thousand dollars for the treatment.

      • mimischi 1 hour ago
        I thought anything in the US is ridiculous amounts of money, when it’s related to health/hospital.
        • matt_heimer 35 minutes ago
          It's wildly inconsistent. Surgeries, hospitalizations and specialists are mostly ridiculous. You can find affordable general/nurse practitioners if you know where to look and what to ask for.

          Call around and ask "What is your self cash pay cost?".

          Most people don't know to ask that and if you don't speak the magic phrase then you get billed at the rate the office would normally charge insurance. Not all places have self pay discounts.

          Some states have special programs for hospitals but they vary wildly by state and you have to know how to navigate that particular program and be very patient. Some are need based so if you are above a pretty low income threshold you won't qualify.

        • datakan 1 hour ago
          You thought wrong
        • ipsod 1 hour ago
          It's really not, for common/minor issues. I use a little cash-pay clinic in a MCOL area and mostly spend <$100, never over $200, per visit. Also, my wife recently had some major dental work done, and it was about $350. All of this without getting insurance involved.

          There are definitely ways to rack up big bills fast, though, just by being unlucky.

          • datsci_est_2015 58 minutes ago
            > cash-pay clinic

            I’ve never heard of this. Private practice? If so, count your blessings until they get hoovered up by PE and quadruple their prices overnight.

            • ipsod 55 minutes ago
              Yeah, private practice.
    • 0x262d 1 hour ago
      How could two people die from it in Germany with modern medicine? Is malaria randomly fatal despite treatment, or did they not understand what the infection was or not seek treatment or something?
      • Tangurena2 58 minutes ago
        > Globally in 2024, there were an estimated 282 million malaria cases and 610,000 malaria deaths in 80 countries

        https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/malaria

        One question that gets asked is "have you traveled to another country?" When the answer is "no", then doctors no longer consider diseases that exist in other countries. So that is why they did not understand the parasitic infection until it was too late.

        Some of the early symptoms resemble a bad cold.

        The parasite that causes malaria (literally "bad air") can only survive in certain species of mosquitos. Those skeeters don't live in Germany. They used to live in the state I live in, but they were exterminated back in the 1950s & 1960s (thanks DDT!). And people from West Africa were naturally/genetically resistant, which was why slaves from that region were preferred over every other race in the southern US where malaria existed until the 1950s & 1960s. If you have 0 copies of the gene then you usually die (of malaria) before puberty. If you have 2 copies of the gene, then you die from sickle cell anemia (usually by your teen years). If you have 1 copy of that gene (another commenter used the term "heterozygote") then the parasite can't live in some of your red blood cells, so you survive to have children.

        Germany never had it, and reported being malaria free in 1964. America, in 1970.

        https://www.who.int/teams/global-malaria-programme/eliminati...

        • stephenhuey 9 minutes ago
          Some good info, but some kind of simplistic. I lived in Nigeria for the second half of my childhood in the 80s and 90s and got malaria several times. People come down with it all the time, and typically treat it, and you can recover without treatment also. Most people die from sickle cell anemia when young, but I know multiple outliers who have lived to middle age, and they might live longer yet.

          It's easy to test for malaria, if you actually think to test for malaria. In the 90s, we used to hear wild stories from people we knew who would come down with malaria shortly after returning to the USA and doctors and nurses would freak out not knowing what to do about it, and the medication would be expensive to obtain, so the conventional wisdom was also to remember to take a few pills with you on the plane back to the USA!

          It's sad but unsurprising that no one was able to treat these German workers in time. When I was a child, there was already talk of strains developing resistance, and this has gotten worse in the 21st century, and the airport workers caught the most deadly strain:

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/27/malaria-outbre...

      • spankibalt 1 hour ago
        From the article:

        "It [the Robert Koch Institute] said laboratory tests to determine the source of the infections were not expected to be available for several weeks. [...] The [Robert Koch] institute said malaria in Germany almost exclusively affects long-haul travellers who were infected in malaria-endemic areas, and that malaria transmitted within a German airport is rare. 'The lack of a travel history can lead to a delayed diagnosis. A delayed diagnosis increases the risk of a severe course of the diseases,' the institute said in its epidemiological bulletin."

      • testing22321 1 hour ago
        Cerebral malaria is fatal with no treatment in many cases. For kids and elderly it’s fatal even with.

        Likely this happened because they have no expertise and didn’t know what to do.

        Imagine if you showed up in a hospital in the us with a sting from some super intense scorpion that only exists is some obscure part of the world. They’ll try to help, but likely can’t do much.

        • vezycash 1 hour ago
          Nigerian here, cerebral malaria is very curable. It's very common and people survive.
    • bauruine 1 hour ago
      Doesn't the Netherlands have some sort of institute of tropical medicine which deals with exactly those cases?
      • Tangurena2 55 minutes ago
        If the airport workers had travelled to another country, their doctors would have looked for tropical/travel diseases.

        Usually, it is through shipping containers where unwanted insects cross borders. That's how murder hornets and flying cockroaches got into the US.

        • bauruine 20 minutes ago
          I'm asking about the Dutchman story the parent wrote. I can hardly believe it tbh. Even if the Netherlands don't have specialized personel, Hamburg is just a 5 hour drive away and Antwerp even closer.
      • brokencipher 49 minutes ago
        Maybe you're thinking about the The Institute of Tropical Medicine in Antwerp/Belgium?
    • 0bytes 1 hour ago
      If you go to a Malaria zone, talk to your doctor to get Malarone and use it prophylactic (depending on the region)
      • pton_xd 1 hour ago
        Doxycycline can also be used. I took doxycycline monohydrate daily for a month and had no observable impact on my digestion, which surprised me.
      • testing22321 1 hour ago
        I was there for years, you can’t take malarias that long.
        • hilariously 1 hour ago
          And some of them have Super powerful side effects - I had a 3 day violent psychotic break I have no memory of, but I did get to wake up strapped to a bed!
          • foobiekr 57 minutes ago
            Malarone gave me insane almost-kindof-sortof waking dreams of concerning character. I have never had anything like that before or since.
    • morkalork 1 hour ago
      The author of the book Mother Nature is Trying to Kill You had a story like that; he managed to pick up a parasitic fly infection while abroad and had to convince health care workers to cut out the larvae from under his skin.
  • garbawarb 1 hour ago
    Could these mosquitoes lead to malaria becoming endemic in Germany?
    • ceejayoz 1 hour ago
      No. They only survive in tropical/subtropical regions.

      A concerted effort to treat cases and reduce habitat can prevent it, too. The US wiped it out in the 50s; new cases largely come from travel.

      • anttihaapala 1 hour ago
        Malaria was endemic in Finland until the beginning of the 20th century, the people used to lived inside smoke-heated chimneyless log cabins together with animals, mosquitoes... and Plasmodium vivax...
        • ceejayoz 1 hour ago
          That's the "treat cases" element of the story.

          No human cases means no reservoir for the spring's new mosquitos to draw from. It's why Florida's safe these days, despite the climate.

      • matherial 1 hour ago
        No. Malaria epidemics occurred in medieval Europe, both in warmer countries (Italy, Greece) and in France, Germany and England. It was also common in portions of the US until large-scale eradication efforts.

        It's unlikely to become a problem again because the climate is not optimal and these countries are wealthy, have advanced healthcare systems, and can spray everything with DDT again if they feel like doing it.

        • toyg 58 minutes ago
          Yes to everything but "the climate is not optimal". The climate was not optimal. I expect this year's weather in most of Europe must have been pretty spectacular for mosquitoes; if it becomes a regular occurrence, as scientists suggest, things might get pretty spicy. Places like Milan are already massive breeding grounds for the most aggressive types of mosquitoes.
      • nerdsniper 1 hour ago
        USA wiped out malaria in the 50s using DDT which also made the California condor go extinct in the wild. During the 70s-90s DDT became illegal to use in most countries around the globe.

        I’m not sure the USA would have been successful eradicating malaria without using DDT or something similar.

        DDT caused the Bald Eagle population to drop from about 400,000 birds to just 47 nesting pairs.

      • tomjakubowski 1 hour ago
        There were malaria epidemics in even quite temperate parts of Europe up to the mid 20th century, including Bavaria and even England, and it was endemic to parts of Italy and Greece. P. falciparum was found in bone samples of the Medicis.

        https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8277918/

        • xhevahir 1 hour ago
          Yes, I remember reading in Charles C. Mann's book 1493 an interesting chapter about how malaria was pretty common in preindustrial SE England, where it was known as "marsh fever" or "ague."
      • jmclnx 1 hour ago
        Sadly, maybe wait 5 to 10 decades then it could exist in many areas were it does not now.
    • Tangurena2 53 minutes ago
      Only a few species of mosquitos can carry the parasite. None of them live in that part of Europe. The swamps around the city of Rome were historically infested with those skeeters which is why we use the Italian word for the disease (which means "bad air").
    • xattt 1 hour ago
      Malaria was endemic to the Deep South in the States up until the 1950s, at which point it was declared eradicated thanks to a miracle chemical called DDT. They should put that on everything (/s).

      It is unlikely that malaria will establish itself, given that it gets cold and inhospitable to malaria-carrying mosquitos in Northern Europe. However, it is one of many things that could potentially be frog-boiled into existence in northern latitudes as a result of climate change.

      I live in an area where mosquitos were unbearable this year. You couldn’t do outdoor activities without a mosquito net. It’s bad enough but I don’t want to imagine what it would be like if the threat of mosquito-borne illness was layered on.

  • shevy-java 1 hour ago
    I can not say anything about this incident, but what I have noticed in the last some years is that mosquitos have become much more annoying even in larger cities of mediate temperature. That has not been the case say 30 years up to 10 years ago or so, give or take. The range of mosquito attacks has definitely increased in every axis. Kind of almost miniature mosquitos too - really small, like barely 0.5 cm at max in length or perhaps 0.6 cm, but annoying to no ends and very hungry for blood. One can speculate but I think the increased temperature range induced this for the most part.
    • roncesvalles 38 minutes ago
      I'm pretty sure mosquito populations in India have been evolving in response to those electrified tennis rackets. Mosquitos now are much faster, have more evasive flying patterns, and smaller.
    • bamboozled 53 minutes ago
      I've experienced the opposite so YMMV.
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