All US airports are currently ground stopped

(twitter.com)

211 points | by defly 1 day ago

14 comments

  • stmw 1 day ago
    • AstroNutt 1 day ago
      Thanks for the link. I clicked it and was greeted with this. LOL!

      "It seems the shiny new AI tech tool Strategic Management of Airspace Routing Trajectories (SMART) may have become Failed Airspace Routing Trajectories (FART)"

  • frutiger 1 day ago
    "Frequency outage", I think that translates to radio communications not working, until "22 Zulu" aka 22:00 UTC, 5 PM ET.
    • lenerdenator 1 day ago
      How does one prevent transmission on a frequency in an area the size of the continental US?

      It's radio. Either you jam it or it works. That's the selling point.

      • NordSteve 1 day ago
        It's not the transmitting per-se. The network that gives controllers access to the en route radio system isn't letting them connect to the radios.
  • DavCreator 1 day ago
  • treebeard901 1 day ago
    Microsoft outage related??
    • whynotmaybe 1 day ago
      I can easily imagine a batch job on a mainframe that sends every hour some important data by mail and that some logic apps checks that mailbox to propagate the data but now that mails have been delayed +12hours it's going haywire
      • cucumber3732842 1 day ago
        And that sort of architecture is normally not a problem (finance has all sorts of stuff like that)... but national ATC systems are not the kind of situation were some SRE can just side load the file while keeping their job.
    • PsycorAI 1 day ago
      good question
  • datas 1 day ago
    What are all the possible reasons to do this?

    Has this ever happened?

  • ChrisArchitect 1 day ago
    • razor-thin 1 day ago
      [flagged]
      • fhdkweig 1 day ago
        Why? I came into this thread just to make sure someone posted that link. I hate when the discussion gets fragmented across several different posts.
      • seviu 1 day ago
        +1 ban it and with it the 30k+ Karma it has
      • cactusplant7374 1 day ago
        Dang does that too. I guess we are going to have to ban him as well.
  • cobychapple 1 day ago
    • brianshaler 1 day ago
      If you refresh a few times it'll show the advisories.
  • throwaway81523 1 day ago
    "If builders built houses the way programmers built programs, the first woodpecker to come along would destroy civilization" -- Gerald Weinberg.

    Looks like the woodpecker has arrived.

    • elendilm 1 day ago
      I disagree vehemently that programmers build lousy programs. Many of us do quite the contrary.

      But this is hilarious, and hence I am upvoting.

      • dijit 1 day ago
        We’re in the “wooden dwellings” era of software.

        Some cathederals are built, over time, by craftsmen who do work that spans decades.

        However, very few of us are doing that. Most people are just throwing up a shack to live in.

        • elendilm 16 hours ago
          "Many of us", not "most of us".

          Building wooden dwellings is comparatively easy and straightforward.

          It is the lack of a tangible result that gives the insecurity that programmers feel when compared to constructed buildings.

          The epic is not visible to the uninitiated when it comes to programming whereas with construction it is visible to the naked eye for everyone.

          It is easy to see and marvel at a cathedral whereas most don't have the skill required to marvel at the architecture or the codebase of an elegantly designed distributed system.

          To be blunt, building a wooden shack is physically easy. Building even a basic program requires a level of abstract mental discipline that most people simply do not possess.

          So the "most people" you mentioned who are throwing up a shack to live in, I admire them for that.

  • jeffybefffy519 4 hours ago
    This reads like a trump twitter post... so it probably is via him
  • yanhangyhy 20 hours ago
    To stop Jesen flying to China?
  • wewewedxfgdf 16 hours ago
    The entire USA needs the three finger salute.
    • cuttysnark 11 hours ago
      Why stop there? Why not appeal to the Jedi Council? Or send a wire to the Avengers?

      These of course are all alternate plans if Batman and Spiderman aren’t available.

  • roosterIllusi0n 2 hours ago
    Lets see that source code. I don't know how the trump admin is going to cover this one up. The source code is basically self documenting. They can't cover up the choices they made.

    If they used AI to vibe code and vibe validate, this will be a criminal situation.FAA regulated code has to follow a structured development, testing, and release process with sign offs by qualified people with specifically roles at different steps.

    You can't replace the human checks with AI. AI is an averaging machine that averages the data it was trained on. It gives average answers while brute forcing away problems until the solution passes a test that was slop coded the same way.

    I look forward to the congressional investigations when these people try to say SI instead of AI. That SI moniker is only used by unqualified people in the trump admin or corrupt businesses. The source code is not going to lie, these people likely don't understand what they deployed.

  • pstuart 1 day ago
    I guess some of their floppy drives must have given out.
  • deadbabe 1 day ago
    This has been a horrible week for AI: Jensen resigned, Microsoft Outage, now FAA outage from new AI system.

    The reason is clear: all this points to the ANT ipo next week, people want to pop the AI bubble.

    • vconnor 17 hours ago
      Not one of these things has affected me one iota. YMMV.
    • afavour 1 day ago
      1. There’s no proof yet that this is AI related

      2. The idea that someone would ground all air traffic in order to disrupt Anthropic’s IPO is an absolutely wild conspiracy theory with no basis in reality

      • deadbabe 23 hours ago
        1. Everything is AI related now, there are no people hidden away somewhere secretly working on technical things without AI assistance.

        2. Not wild at all. People have vested interested in creating fear around AI.

        • afavour 20 hours ago
          1. There are plenty of systems in existence that haven’t been touched or maintained by AI. Including creaky old air traffic control systems.

          2. Yes, it’s a wild and ridiculous theory. The sheer number of people that would be required in order to pull it off would guarantee that it leaks. It would be a verifiably insane thing to do if you were trying to tank the Anthropic IPO.

        • syngrog66 23 hours ago
          1. I'm not. therefore this point refuted :-)
    • mcdonje 1 day ago
      What a cope. Per occam's razor, the most likely cause is putting hallucinations on the critical path. But sure, peddle a conspiracy theory.